From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sun Mar 14 10:18:22 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 14 Mar 1993 17:25:06 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3528; Sun, 14 Mar 93 17:24:00 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9298; Sun, 14 Mar 93 17:25:03 EST Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 15:18:22 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: *mo'u X-To: cowan@snark.thyrsus.com X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: OR Message-ID: Cowan and I discussed my ideas on this by telephone after I posted this message in the middle of the night, and I accept that "mi ?naubau la lojban" is not the preferred expression in the sentence I used ("tavla" or "ciska"). My intent was to come up with an example where you indeed want to tie the tagged sumti to a particular other sumti (rather than leaving it at the predicate level). So a better example would be "casnu", where you might have "mi ?naubau la lojban (appropriate terminator) ce do ?naubau la gliban cu casnu We (I in Lojban, and you in English) discuss [something unspecified]. Perhaps this example gives people more to chew on. A non-restrictive clause is not appropriate since it is essential to the claim of the sentence as to which langauge is being used, rather than incidental. But we have also commonly used restrictive clauses only to identify, and the languages are not in this example being used to identify. Yet the languages are not the main claim or predicate of the language. In a sense, what we have is a non-logical connective kind-of termset, whereas normal termsets only work with logical connectives. I thus suggested to Cowan that a non-logical connective be permitted in a termset as a separate grammar proposal. I'm still not sure though, that my example above is truly a termset either, so we may need a simple conevrter-from BAI-or-selbri-to non-logical-connective, possibly with its own terminator, as the above example shows. lojbab