From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Mar 17 19:31:50 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 14:48:20 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9209; Wed, 17 Mar 93 14:47:11 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0944; Wed, 17 Mar 93 14:40:52 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:31:50 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Mr Andrew Rosta Subject: Re: TECH: QUERY re cmene X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET, jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Wed, 17 Mar 93 08:54:18 PST.) <9303171723.AA20870@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Status: O Message-ID: > How do you recognize "name context"? I notice the "me'e". I > would say that this is the "name tense", e.g. > > ko'a me'e tirxu > [He] is Tiger Your English translation suggests that this is equative & could equally well be _Tiger is him_. Would "[he] is entity-named-_Tiger_" be a better translation? > This is similar to "he is called Tiger" except the latter is better > rendered as "ko'a se cmene la tirxu". What does _la tirxu_ refer to here? Does it refer to the *name* _tirxu_ or does it refer to the category of things named _Tirxu_? Ah, no - sorry - I see you already answered that, thus: > Then I would interpret "la" as an abbreviation for "le me'e", e.g. > > la tirxu == le me'e tirxu But in this case _le cmene_ is not a name but rather is a category of named entities - pretty well the same thing as _le se cmene_! Surely the x1 of cmene must refer to a name, so _la .And. cu cmene mi_ is wrong in the way _le tirxu cu gismu_ is. ----- And