From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Mar 17 20:32:17 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:41:36 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9613; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:40:14 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1571; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:41:09 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:32:17 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Mr Andrew Rosta Subject: Re: Comments from pc on various issues X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET, John Cowan To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Mon, 15 Mar 93 15:27:42 EST.) <9303160000.AA112931@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Status: O Message-ID: <9amOa9fr7wC.A.I0.x20kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> John Cowan: > 4) I asked him about the referents of "le sumti" and "le bridi" -- are they > linguistic objects, or the referents of those linguistic objects. In > the sentence "mi klama le zarci", is the sumti "mi", a text, or John Cowan, > a person? pc and lojbab both thought they were texts. Occasional English- > language use has been fuzzy, but the current place structures of "sumti" > and "bridi" do not suggest linguistic objects. I propose, therefore, > changing them from the current place structures: > > x1 is a/the argument of predicate/function x2 filling place x3 > > and > > x1 (du'u) is a predicate relationship with relation x2 > > by adding "(text)" after sumti x1 and x2, and changing "du'u" to "text" after > bridi x1. > > among arguments (sequence/set) x3 How does one convert from use to mention? For example, how can one take _mlatu_, whose sense is the category of cats, and instead get _'mlatu'_, whose sense is the category of the gismu _mlatu_. In addition, how can we convert to a phononological, phonetic, graphological or graphetic sense? (I.e. x1 is a [mlatu], x1 is a /mlatu/, and so on.) This may sound esoteric but it is of course *crucial* in metalinguistic discourse. (Note that there is an open-ended set of sense conversions of this sort, since these sense conversions are theory-dependent.) --- And