From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Mar 17 20:52:06 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 15:58:27 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9721; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:57:18 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1790; Wed, 17 Mar 93 15:58:22 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 20:52:06 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Mr Andrew Rosta Subject: Re: Again Re: TECH: QUERY re cmene X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET, jimc@math.ucla.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Wed, 17 Mar 93 12:18:46 PST.) <9303172018.AA16184@julia.math.ucla.edu> Status: O Message-ID: I quote jimc to me (not the list): > > Where would _laho_ fit into this? > > I must have missed something; in my cmavo list, "la'o" is a lerfu shift > enabling one lerfu per letter. Hmmm, maybe it's not in left field > after all. According to the BNF grammar, a letteral-string<986> is > considered to be, among other things, a sumti-5 analogous to KOhA. > Suppose a letteral-string is considered to mean "referent is an > instance of that/those letter(s)". > > This is giving me a headache, and I'm not sure we're on the same > wavelength anyway. I don't think interconverting between spelled > texts, non-spelled texts, the referent of the text, and the predicate > (as an abstract object, independent of its secular representation) > yielding the same referent(s) that the text would have given, will > yield much insight into names. But if you can make sense of this, let > me know! It must be borne in mind by readers of the list that my knowledge of Lojban is fragmentary, chaotic, rudimentary, incorrect, etc. etc. I thought _laho_ was like _la_ except you follow it by a syllable that then counts as the terminator for a string that is a name. So laho xo. ffffjjjj xo. means "what is hereby described as some entity-named-_ffffjjjj_". Have I just misremembered the cmavo's form (e.g. it is _lahi_, or whatever) or do I also misremember the basic idea about how this cmavo works. I recall a long discussion about it, & me & Ivan saying that it would be politest to by default use "_laho_" rather than _la_, to avoid distorting people's names (e.g. I felt a bit miffed at being arbitrarily rendered _rostas._). ---- And