From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:55:30 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1993 11:56:09 -0500 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8157; Wed, 17 Mar 93 11:55:00 EST Received: from CUVMB.BITNET by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9576; Wed, 17 Mar 93 11:56:00 EST Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 08:54:18 -0800 Reply-To: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Subject: Re: TECH: QUERY re cmene X-To: lojban@cuvmb.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 93 14:40:08 GMT." <9303171453.AA27605@julia.math.ucla.edu> Status: O X-From-Space-Date: Wed Mar 17 00:54:18 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: Mr Andrew Rosta writes about the semantics of names (cmene) and of "la", and asks for clarification. It will be helpful to take for an example a predicate name. Let's choose "tirxu" = tiger. Normally this is an ordinary predicate. But in "name context" it is a predicate meaning (as And. says) "x1 is a thing which is named (whatever)" contrasted to "x1 is a (whatever)" or to "x1 is named x2" (that is, "se cmene"). How do you recognize "name context"? I notice the "me'e". I would say that this is the "name tense", e.g. ko'a me'e tirxu [He] is Tiger This is similar to "he is called Tiger" except the latter is better rendered as "ko'a se cmene la tirxu". Then I would interpret "la" as an abbreviation for "le me'e", e.g. la tirxu == le me'e tirxu As And. points out, it should be possible to use any determiner with the name tense in place of "le", except you don't have the one-word abbreviation of "la". -- jimc