From nsn  Sat Mar  6 22:52:37 2010
From: nsn (Nick Nicholas)
Subject: Re: lujvo paper, part 3.2.
To: jimc@math.ucla.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 12:15:16 +1000 (EST)
Cc: nsn (Nick Nicholas)
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The Seraphim surely rejoiced when jimc@math.ucla.edu spoke thus:

}In my gismu list (possibly old), djica = "desire/want...for..." where I
}interpret d3 as some kind of goal that d2 will help bring about.  It
}seems to me that p2 (the thing to be owned) belongs before d3.  

This is the order I eventually settle on in the paper, a couple of paragraphs
down. The initial set of places I quoted was an unordered set.

}It also seems to me better to use a "lean" gismu definition in which
}the goal is stuck on with mu'i/ mukti.  There are 22 gismu with places
}keyed by "purpose" and (IMHO) well under half have any business having a
}dedicated purpose case.  

It isn't the task of a lujvo-maker to redefine gismu place structures; but
substituting the third place with a {mu'i} place doesn't seem to change anything
vital.

}With -gua!spi definitions at least, you get better automatic ordering
}if you put the sub-word places (here ponse) before trailing main word
}places, rather than after.

That is the whole point of belenu-lujvo ordering. However, in je-lujvo,
and in lujvo where the nature of the tanru relationship is unclear, as I
will explain in my next installment, it makes more sense to dump them
after, since the tertanru place they'd go before is unclear.

}> An interesting example of a be-lujvo is {xande'icalku}, fingernail. 
}This word illustrates your points better than jgalu would, but I think
}jgalu is better semantically. It also has the "nail" keyword in my
}gismu list.

You're right about that. I don't know how completely I'll have time to
overhaul the jvoste. Another example, if need be, can easily be found.

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