From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu Apr 22 04:59:11 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 22 Apr 1993 04:59:11 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9838; Thu, 22 Apr 93 04:58:49 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5103; Thu, 22 Apr 93 04:59:26 EST Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 09:53:26 BST Reply-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Subject: Re: Navaho (was: version declaration for le lojbau) To: Erik Rauch Status: OR Message-ID: Cowan asks: > > > > What is "ava'o"? And answers: > > I was thinking of Navaho. For culturally sensitive words like those > for languages and cultures I guess some device analogous to _la'o_ > is desirable. I suppose one could say _lei me la'o fa. nava'o fa._ > (or whatever the Navaho call their tongue). It's a bit of a mouthful, > though: contrast _lei glibau_, which is 5 syllables shorter because > of the culturally dominant position of English. Navaho for Navaho is 'dine bizaad' ie '(the) people's language'. Possible constructions for what you're wanting are: le'avla: bangrdine bangrnavaxo (less favoured, but recognisable to more people) pseudo lujvo (using the new cmavo 'zei' - lujvo glue): navaxos. zei bangu dinebizAd. zei bangu tanru: mela navaxos. bangu mela dines. bangu mela'o dy. dine bizaad dy. bangu sumti: la'ezoi dy. dine bizaad dy. (this is a sumti, the others are selbri). Always we run into the familiar difficulty that the preferred forms use the Navajos' own name for themselves (dine) and their language (dine bizaad) but few non-Navajos will recognise the name. Similarly bangrdjalagi = is the Cherokee language (le'avla) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Going though the fear is strong, | Colin Fine Going with your knees a-quake, | Dept of Computing Maybe something you've been wanting | University of Bradford for so long, | Bradford, W. Yorks, England And never dared take. | BD7 1DP You don't have to get yourself ready, | Tel: 0274 733680 (h), 383915 (w) or conquer your fear, | But just welcome the moment, | do se cinri pei? lo rutni bangu And say Yes to the moment, | ('Are you interested in artificial and the Moment is here! | languages?' in Lojban) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^