From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Thu May 6 11:06:26 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 6 May 1993 11:06:26 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0867; Thu, 06 May 93 11:05:44 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3823; Thu, 06 May 93 10:58:23 EST Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 15:56:20 BST Reply-To: I.Alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: Iain Alexander Subject: Re: TECH: experimental cmavo "xo'e" X-To: c.j.fine@bradford.ac.uk X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Message-ID: > Thus Bob Chassell: > > As for the experimental cmavo "xo'e" that started this discussion. > > What power! To eradicate a place means to change a meaning accepted > > by a community. Often, new ideas come from thinking something > > differently. Use of "xo'e" will, I expect, be shocking to listeners. > > Its use is a declaration by the speaker that the community's normal > > understanding is wrong, if not in general, then in the context in > > which the speaker uses "xo'e". spuda fa la kolin. > .ienai > No more so than forming lujvo or, as I think somebody has already > suggested, adding a place with BAI. Even forming tanru has this > sort of creation. In fact, I think we will have to treat this just like a lujvo, in that it will in principle be necessary to _define_ what it means. > Thus > zbasu fixo'e > means > x1 is made/built/assembled of/from x2, but I am denying the > existence, or at least the relevance, of any maker. Well, actually, my copy of the gimste has zbasu zba make x1 makes/assembles/builds/manufactures/creates x2 out of materials x3 in which case this particular one's denying the existence of any material out of which it is made, which is a bit easier to comprehend. > I am not entirely sure what this means. But if it was se zbasu fe xo'e I too would have no idea what it means, and would expect whoever used this to be prepared to explain what he meant. mi'e .i,n.