From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:51:54 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 6 May 1993 18:43:16 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4526; Thu, 06 May 93 18:42:45 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0532; Thu, 06 May 93 18:43:38 EST Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 15:39:01 -0700 Reply-To: hedgehog@SCRIPPS.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: hedgehog@SCRIPPS.EDU Subject: Re: TECH: experimental cmavo "xo'e" X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Thu May 6 08:39:01 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: >>Well, actually, my copy of the gimste has > >>zbasu zba make >>x1 makes/assembles/builds/manufactures/creates x2 out of materials x3 > >>in which case this particular one's denying the existence of any >>material out of which it is made, which is a bit easier to comprehend. > >Well, isn't that just {zbasu fi noda}? There *is* a difference between >{xo'e} and {noda}, but defining it is not easy. > > >~mark Isn't the difference between "zbasu fi noda" and "zbasu fi xo'e" that the first recognizes that x1 makes x2 from nothing (but it *could* have been made from something) and the second says that x1 makes x2 *period*? "zabsu fi zo'e" says that x1 makes x2 from something-or-other. ***************** Richard Schroeder hedgehog@riscsm.scripps.edu The opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of TSRI or its funding agencies.