From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:51:35 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 9 May 1993 02:52:32 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4611; Sun, 09 May 93 02:51:59 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4289; Sun, 09 May 93 02:52:59 EST Date: Sun, 9 May 1993 02:49:54 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: experimental cmavo "xo'e" X-To: hedgehog@SCRIPPS.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch X-From-Space-Date: Wed May 8 22:49:54 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: A mind may "make" a thought, but "lo menli" cannot "zbasu" "lo se pensi". Because, indeed, there is no material it is made from. Similar, in English, we express many kinds of causality using the word "make", none of which are appropriate to zbasu (this is one source of open disagreement between the Lojban design and JCB's earlier Loglan designs - he tolerates and indeed still advocates the illogical use of the zbasu equivalent for lujvo expressing causality - by convention, nonetheless). In Lojban, you should be using the appropriate causal gismu or lujvo for causality. The relationship between a mind and a thought should be more akin to pensi, than to zbasu (whether a person thinks a thought or whether his/her mind does, is an interesting question. Maybe the mind/thought relationship needs to be a variant of pensi, perhaps using a sepi'o to add the place, or in lujvo form, either tutci or pilno, added to pensi. lojbab