From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed May 12 11:49:12 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 12 May 1993 15:50:46 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4121; Wed, 12 May 93 15:50:09 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0839; Wed, 12 May 93 15:51:06 EDT Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 15:49:12 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: xo'e & proposal for new cmavo "_xe'o_" X-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Message-ID: Your xe'o seems to be a shorthand for "broda do'e xo'e .ije broda do'e noda i.e. stating that the claim is true with the place eleiminated, but that it is false without the place eliminated because there is no value that makes it true. I personally like the unabbreviated form - the odds are unlikely that the two proposals would get cmavo that are that suugestive of the relationship between them. Remember that I am hoping that all xVV cmavo proposals are resolved sufficiently with regard to usefulness by the timne the dictionary is finished that we can assign real cmavo to the ones that are worthy, and there is a VERY limited unassigned cmavo space these days, unless we tap into the newly available CVVV space. I am thus very wary of proposals that are not meirtorious enough to rate a real cmavo from the start. To me they must be things that have a significant potential for use, but which it cannot be foreseen that this use warrants assignment now. But since experimental cmavo are indeed experimental, that use will have to be achieved in the face of the words not being formally taught, and subject to elimination when the experimental period 'ends' (whenever that may be). I do not support the open-ended use of xVV cmavo for any old idea on the assumption that if it catches on, the word will keep that xVV assignment. So experimental cmavo kinda have to be so speculative that no one will miss them if they disappear, but have strong enough support that someone will actually try to use them before they disappear. lojbab