From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed May 5 16:20:12 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 5 May 1993 20:24:30 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7624; Wed, 05 May 93 20:23:59 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8628; Wed, 05 May 93 20:24:53 EST Date: Wed, 5 May 1993 20:20:12 EDT Reply-To: bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: Lojban list Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was bob@GRACKLE.STOCKBRIDGE.MA.US From: bob@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Subject: TECH: experimental cmavo "xo'e" X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu, bob@grackle.stockbridge.ma.us To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: Colin Fine's message of Wed, 5 May 1993 14:09:30 +0100 <9305051346.AA09037@albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-ID: What power! To eradicate a place means to change a meaning accepted by a community. .ienai No more so than forming lujvo or, as I think somebody has already suggested, adding a place with BAI. Even forming tanru has this sort of creation. This is an experimental issue: will people come to think of the place structures of gismu as being hard and firm? I think they might. Only wordsmiths and other eccentrics presume that words are protean. Others expect and talk as if changes were glacial. Another advantage of "xo'e" is that it _subtracts_ a place. The other types of change either _add_ a place (one interpretation of what BAI does) or create a quite new word. "xo'e" fills a gap. Thus zbasu fixo'e means x1 is made/built/assembled of/from x2, but I am denying the existence, or at least the relevance, of any maker. More than this, "xo'e" means that you should even think about a maker in this predication about the world. The place does not exist. (I can imagine future students ernestly debating what is mean by xo'e zbasu xo'e xo'e which is more elegantly stated as xo'e xo'e xo'e zbasu ) ... I am still nervous of its propensity to encourage malglico... Yes. This is a risk, but as John Cowan says, it depends on how it is taught. Robert J. Chassell bob@gnu.ai.mit.edu Rattlesnake Mountain Road (413) 298-4725 Stockbridge, MA 01262-0693 USA