From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Fri May 7 17:45:12 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 7 May 1993 12:26:19 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8428; Fri, 07 May 93 12:25:47 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6068; Fri, 07 May 93 12:26:47 EST Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 16:45:12 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Mr Andrew Rosta Subject: Re: TECH: experimental cmavo "xo'e" X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET, "Mark E. Shoulson" To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Thu, 06 May 93 17:12:31 D.) <9305062127.AA115041@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Status: O X-Status: Message-ID: > >Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 15:56:20 BST > >From: Iain Alexander > > >X-To: c.j.fine@bradford.ac.uk > >X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu > > >> zbasu fixo'e > >> means > >> x1 is made/built/assembled of/from x2, but I am denying the > >> existence, or at least the relevance, of any maker. > > >Well, actually, my copy of the gimste has > > >zbasu zba make > >x1 makes/assembles/builds/manufactures/creates x2 out of materials x3 > > >in which case this particular one's denying the existence of any > >material out of which it is made, which is a bit easier to comprehend. > > Well, isn't that just {zbasu fi noda}? There *is* a difference between > {xo'e} and {noda}, but defining it is not easy. > > > %mark In the case of, say, _judri_: judri x1 is address of x2 in system x3 putting xo'e in the x3 place means *not* that the address is not part of a system, but that it is unspecified as to whether the address is or isn't part of a system. If some address *isn't* part of a system, but this information is trivial, yet you want to be entirely truthful, it would here be appropriate to use _xo'e_: you don't say it's not part of a system, but you avoid falsely asserting that it *is* part of a system. So, _xo'e_ really ought to be used frequently: each time one uses a brivla, for each sumti slot one should think "do I really want to claim that this sumti exists?" & unless the answer is yes, one should insert _xo'e_. This is an annoying conclusion, & goes to show that subcategorized sumti ought to be kept to the barest minimum, to avoid the need for excessive xoheing. All those 'by standard' places could be dumped, for example. --- And.