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Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" <shoulson@CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU>
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From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <shoulson@CTR.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      TECH: experimental cmavo "xo'e"
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To: Erik Rauch <erikr@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
In-Reply-To:  Iain Alexander's message of Thu, 6 May 1993 15:56:20 BST
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>Date:         Thu, 6 May 1993 15:56:20 BST
>From: Iain Alexander
 <I.Alexander.bra0125%OASIS.ICL.CO.UK@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
>X-To:         c.j.fine@bradford.ac.uk
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>>         zbasu fixo'e
>> means
>>         x1 is made/built/assembled of/from x2, but I am denying the
>> existence, or at least the relevance, of any maker.

>Well, actually, my copy of the gimste has

>zbasu     zba      make
>x1 makes/assembles/builds/manufactures/creates x2 out of materials x3

>in which case this particular one's denying the existence of any
>material out of which it is made, which is a bit easier to comprehend.

Well, isn't that just {zbasu fi noda}?  There *is* a difference between
{xo'e} and {noda}, but defining it is not easy.


~mark