From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:44:37 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 00:17:32 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5026; Wed, 02 Jun 93 00:16:36 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7409; Wed, 02 Jun 93 00:17:55 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 00:16:50 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: pe'a/po'a proposal X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Tue Jun 1 20:16:50 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: <86UPxBW_99I.A.fME.Vt0kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> I hate to correct you Jim. Ivan wrote a paper last year, which will eventu- ally see print in which he noted several DOZEN kinds of tanru interactions. I have seen analyses of English only which come up with aybe 15 kinds of restriction. Your four types may be the most common, but are by no means exhaustive. hence my assumption that it is best to leave it that restriction is the norm for tanru and lujvo, and leave it to semantics processors to worry about what kind of restriction is taking place. tanru will always be semantically ambiguous, no matter how much we try to diky- it around. I'd rather leave the language essentially a human language rather than trying to make it something computers can process but people cannot. BTW, all of the proposals regarding pe'a and the like presume that the marker is an OPTIONAL one, not a required one, as all such discursives and tenses and whatever in Lojban are optional. Notwiuthstanding this, I prefer that Lojban tanru and lujvo usually be regular where possible. I do not therefore agree with Nick that balvi-speni is not a kind of speni (remember that Lojban predicates are timeless and potential, and hence a future speni is a speni all the same); if it is NOT to be seen as a kind of speni, the speaker SHOULD use spenybalvi and reverse the order. I also see blari'o (bluish-green) as a distinct color from crinyblanu (greenish-blue), and within the realm of a restriction of green. I will hope that blanu joi crino gets lujv-ized into a separate word than the restrictive versions. (I note that in English we DO make a distinction betwween bluish green and greenish blue - anyone with kids and Crayola crayons knows this %^). lojbab