From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:44:39 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 2 Jun 1993 16:59:01 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8792; Wed, 02 Jun 93 16:58:02 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2256; Wed, 02 Jun 93 16:59:10 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 16:57:02 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: pe'a/po'a proposal X-To: nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Jun 2 12:57:02 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Message-ID: I don't disagree with you that there exist and have been used lujvo that are reversed. My argument is that, when noticed, the reversal should be corrected, or at least reversing the order should be strongly considered. Since Nora and I coined blari'o, I know what we INTENDED it to mean. It happened to be a nice example that fit the morphology needs of the lesson at the time, so we used it a lot. Yes, peoeple will reverse lujvo, create malglico, maldratybangu, etc. lujvo and other errors in ad hoc and even more carefully thought out usage. The question is how tolerant we will be towards these things when noticed. Given that even such a long established word like le'avla, which actually is a kind of valsi, and has an omitted "se", one of the things we have always explicitly DEFINED as a permitted veriation, suggests that, indeed, people would prefer to catch these and eliminate them wherever possible. Your observation that this occurs a lot, will at least prompt me to look a little more closely when compiling your lujvo list into the dictionary - but then that was why I wanted a whole byunch of volunteers to review that list before publication - to catch just such reversals and mabla usages before they are enshrined with some legitimacy in the dictionary. Alas, while you, Nick ha have been exemplary in your grinding away at the list, I've seen few comments if any posted on the multitudinous versions of the list that you've posted over the last year. Lojban word-making is not an ideal practice - all we can do is give our best effort. lojbab