From nsn Sat Mar 6 22:52:51 2010 From: nsn (Nick Nicholas) Subject: Re: Place structure paper, version 1.2 To: cowan@snark.thyrsus.com (John Cowan) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 17:23:03 +1000 (EST) Cc: nsn (Nick Nicholas) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mozilla-Status: 0010 Message-ID: The Seraphim surely rejoiced when John Cowan spoke thus: #> #2.1) mi cu klama la bastn. la .atlantas. le dargu le karce #> # I go to-Boston from-Atlanta via-the road using-the car. #> It'd be useful to make this sentence as informative as possible, to foster #> the awareness in the reader that places, which do often get elided, aren't #> included for fun, but have a real communicative function. #A good point, considered in isolation, but I want to keep the individual #sumti simple for easy comprehension. The sentence only has to make #minimal sense. There'd still be nought wrong with calling the cr "la ford." #> #Structurally, #> #however, they are quite different. Example 4.1 has "la bastn." in the #> #x1 place and "mi" in the x2 place of the selbri "se klama", and uses #> #standard bridi order; Example 4.2 has "mi" in the x1 place and "la bastn." #> #in the x2 place of the selbri "klama", and uses a non-standard order. #> A sentence or two, here, of how the emphasis is changed as a result. #How is the emphasis changed? It's not really clear to me. Oh I dunno, some of the generalities to do with how passivisation changes focus and all that, and how that applies to Lojban. Not crucial. #> To stress this, some more examples would be useful, showing how using a #> different modal in the same sentence gives different shades of meanings. #> Unfortunately any such example would probably sound strained. #If you have any on tap, I'll put them in! I'll get back to you on this one. #A .sig you might like: *smile* I did... ******************************************************************************* A freshman once observed to me: Nick Nicholas am I, of Melbourne, Oz. On the edge of the Rubicon, nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au (IRC: nicxjo) men don't go fishing. CogSci and CompSci & wannabe Linguist. - Alice Goodman, _Nixon In China_ Mail me! Mail me! Mail me! Or don't!!