From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:52:40 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1993 22:23:26 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0974; Thu, 29 Jul 93 22:22:13 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5250; Thu, 29 Jul 1993 22:22:11 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 18:19:17 PDT Reply-To: fschulz@pyramid.com Sender: Lojban list From: fschulz@PYRAMID.COM Subject: Re: lojban h X-To: lojban list To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Ukn Jul 29 22:23:27 1993 X-From-Space-Address: fschulz@PYRAMID.COM Message-ID: <2s3aaKtsQy.A.4M.400kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Erik Rauch writes: > Well, as I said in a previous message, I think the ' is more aesthetic > because of the special status of that letter. And it occurs so often, > and has such a slight phonetic value, that it looks intrusive as a full-sized > letter. > > Also, consider that we have all gismu being five letters long, and likewise > the short rafsi, under the loose interpretation, all have three letters. > This is a neat feature. If you spell it h, then many of the "short" rafsi > have as many letters as the long ("four-letter") ones. > I find koha looks much better than ko'a. Try saying koha and koka. The h and k have the same phonetic value, and the h can potentially extend for a much longer time. Devoicing is an articulatory movement just like stop consonants. I can sense 4 movements when saying koha, not 3. I dislike hiding a phoneme that really is there, just as much as any other phoneme. The short rafsi with ' are not really short since there are 4 phonemes present. -- Frank Schulz ( fschulz@pyramid.com )