From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:52:56 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 28 Jul 1993 15:31:07 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4447; Wed, 28 Jul 93 15:29:55 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2602; Wed, 28 Jul 1993 15:29:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 10:20:51 EDT Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: response to jimc on -mei X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9307262302.AA114728@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk>; from "Mr Andrew Rosta" at Jul 27, 93 12:02 am Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Ukn Jul 28 15:31:08 1993 X-From-Space-Address: snark!cowan@GVLS1.VFL.PARAMAX.COM Message-ID: la .and. cusku di'e > I understand this. But suppose that Alice is small & John is small > but the mass of Alice-cum-John is big. Would one handle this > by "*The whole* of the mass of Alice-cum-John" is big, Yes, that would work in this case: "piro lu'o la .alis. joi la djan. [lu'u]" where "lu'o...lu'u" is just functioning as parentheses here. I haven't thought about the implications enough to decide whether this is a general mechanism for distinguishing inherited properties from emergent ones. > or is > what I need a function that converts a mass into an individual? > (So if both Alice & John are small then qua mass Alice-cum-John > is small, but qua individual Alice-cum-John is big.) That might work, I'm not sure. The mechanism for making the conversion exists: "lu'a...[lu'u]". -- John Cowan cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!lock60!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban.