From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:53:03 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1993 23:27:02 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1131; Thu, 29 Jul 93 23:25:50 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5899; Thu, 29 Jul 1993 23:25:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1993 23:24:54 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Color words (was: Re: comments on the batch of lujvo et X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Ukn Jul 29 23:27:03 1993 X-From-Space-Address: lojbab@GREBYN.COM Message-ID: There is more to carmi than its use on colors. In answer to another question, the difference between carmi and mutce is evident in the place structure. The former is intensity of some property measured/detected by an observe r at a specific locus, the latter is a generalized degree of extremity that is presumably independent of observer/position (though you could stick both in as additional places on mutce if you wanted to). Actually, come to think of it, its just the observer and not the locus, but the same point holds. Saturation is just one such property, the one that is implied when it is used to modify colors. "saturation", even if most people knew what it meant, wou ld not be the appropriate keyword when used to talk about emotions (for which carmi is related to "cai" which was derived from it). I suspect that kandi is usable for pastel colors. I don;t pretend to understand much about the science of colors, except to know that it was intensely discussed in 1976-7 in The Loglanist and served to turn a lot of people off to Loglan. We need a system that people intutively can understand - whether it is right is incidental. The current color system can be understood if explained - relying on keywords to do much of anything in Lojban other than learn the gismu and similar memory-hook applications is VERY risky. lojbab