From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Mon Aug 16 07:32:16 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 15 Aug 1993 07:35:49 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 15 Aug 1993 07:34:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199308151134.AA01179@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6276; Sun, 15 Aug 93 07:33:20 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9564; Sun, 15 Aug 1993 07:33:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 21:32:16 +1000 Reply-To: Nick Nicholas Sender: Lojban list From: Nick Nicholas Subject: Re: 2704 lujvo in the jvoste X-To: Logical Language Group X-Cc: Lojban Mailing List To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9308150632.AA10878@grebyn.com> from "Logical Language Group" at Aug 15, 93 02:32:06 am Status: RO X-Status: To Logical Language Group respond I thus: #why not just jifsku or ticysku, or best: all three and give whatever semantic #differences are implied by each, since each will probably cover a different #mapping of the semantic space covered by English "lie" All three of them, of course, do cover that space; but saying something both untruthful and with the intent to deceive is the more prototypical instance of a lie. Leaving either out gives you the grey area of the law --- equivocation for ticysku, telling untruths (and possibly believing them) for jifsku. ticyjifsku is 'real' lying. ******************************************************************************* A freshman once observed to me: Nick Nicholas am I, of Melbourne, Oz. On the edge of the Rubicon, nsn@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au (IRC: nicxjo) men don't go fishing. CogSci and CompSci & wannabe Linguist. - Alice Goodman, _Nixon In China_ Mail me! Mail me! Mail me! Or don't!!