From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Mon Aug 16 10:54:10 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 10:51:51 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 10:51:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199308161451.AA03542@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8855; Mon, 16 Aug 93 10:50:26 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1628; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 10:50:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 09:54:10 +0100 Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: TEXT: Imagist To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: And asks: ++++++++++> if you are willing to send me a properly terminated version I'd be grateful. >+++++++++ I thought I had (but have since deleted my mail). Here it is, anyway. Tu'i [le tcana po'e la metro ku] Te zgana [le'i flira di'o le preso'i] .i Rulpezli [di'o le sefta [le jimca poi xekri gi'e ba'o se carvi] i se zbasu mi .e la'o poit. Ezra Pound poit. As I surmised, and you confirmed, it should be 've zgana' And further asks: +++++> I had misunderstood the rules for la cmene: I thought a la cmene could have the morphological form of a gismu without there being any such gismu. But this apparently is not so. Incidentally, can anyone suggest a lujvo for "la cmene" (as opposed to "cmene" and to "cmene zei valsi")? >+++++++++ See my explanation in my comments on Rob's roller skate. There is confusion between a name word (cmevla) and a naming structure (za'e cmeterge'a). In another posting And moans: ++++++++> If there were a SOhV for "plurality" it would indeed be appropriate. >++++++++ All the SOhV are 'plurality' (with the possible exception of so'a, which is a bit different). You seem to be complaining that lojban forces you to be either too vague (no number) or too precise (choose a SOhA). But that is a choice which is often forced on you when translating to another language, and particularly often in Lojban. co'omi'e kolin