From ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Mon Aug 2 13:52:00 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 2 Aug 1993 13:51:56 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2206; Mon, 02 Aug 93 13:50:40 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4514; Mon, 02 Aug 93 13:49:31 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 18:48:00 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Mr Andrew Rosta Subject: Re: On the tense system X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET, Logical Language Group To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Sun, 01 Aug 93 22:03:42 EDT.) <9308020958.AA29097@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: > The simple explanation of the ZAhO tenses is to look at a non-instantaneous > event. ba'o is the time after the event, pu'o is the time before the > event. All of the other ZAhO tenses are similarly tied to an interval > of the even actually occurring, which I picture like this > > pu'o -> | <---- ca'o ---> | <-- ba'o > | | > > The metaphor of the pictured event far predated the Imaginary Journeys > metaphor, and led tot he assignments of cmavo. pu'o like pu refers to > the time before the event, ba'o like ba refers to the time after the event. > Unfortunately in actual usage people don't seem to be referring to events > when they use the contours, and the result is that the tags seem backwards. I note that I recently used "cacaho" to refer to an event located at a stretch of time that includes the present, rather than to locate one event with respect to another. What I was after was a "present + imperfective" form, though I can find nothing glossed "imperfective" in the most recent cmavo list. Actually my preference for how to express this would be for "leinu broda" to be an argument of "ca". Any suggestions about how do this? ------ mihelahocte. And cte.