From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sun Aug 22 10:15:09 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 14:17:28 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 14:17:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199308221817.AA11581@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3740; Sun, 22 Aug 93 14:16:03 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9846; Sun, 22 Aug 93 14:18:42 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 14:15:09 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: QUERY on ZI & ZEhA X-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: All tenses separate a selbri from any previous sumti, though CU is often used in addition - it seems to be psychologically useful when the previous sumti is complex, regardless of whether it is needed. Use ze'u for "for a long time"; I'm not sure the "ca" is particularly informative in addition. ze'e is an interval, ZAhO tenses and #ROI tenses are interval modifiers affecting or referring to that (possibly ellipsized) interval. roroi means roughly "constantly" during some interval, i.e. at all possible times, but suggests multiple discrete actions taking place. "piroroi" is "all of the time" during an interval which does not suggest any particular number of actions and is probably close to equivalent to "ca'o" except that the latter suggests no activity before or after the interval in question, while #roi says nothing contourish about the time outside the interval. Note that the concept of this unspecified interval may help give some insight into interpreting ZAhO. The unspecified interval is usually the interval where some whole event is taking place, but could be something else if context so demanded. I would say, for example, that ze'eco'i is a good tense for the Big Bang - the initiation of the all-time interval. I guess ve'eco'i = ve'eco'u are the bounds of the universe. lojbab