From cowan@MAGPIE.LL.PBS.ORG Mon Aug 2 18:56:50 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 2 Aug 1993 18:56:49 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3881; Mon, 02 Aug 93 18:55:42 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7764; Mon, 02 Aug 93 18:56:56 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 18:53:58 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: TECH: query re. selcmavo NU X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9308022135.AA26108@nycenet.nycenet.edu> from "Mr Andrew Rosta" at Aug 2, 93 10:28:03 pm Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: la .and. cusku di'e > If I say: > > lenu mi prenu > > I am referring to the event of my being a person, and if I say > > leka mi prenu > > I am referring to my personhood. So, if I say > > mi prenu > > this is presumably ambiguous as to whether I am referring to > the event of my being a person or to my personhood. Actually, "mi prenu" does not >refer< to anything except you yourself. It >asserts< or >claims< that you are a person, but in no way >refers< to any person-event or person-quality. > So, can I say, in order to disambiguate, something like: > > mi nu prenu "there exists the event of my being a person" This means "I am an event of (someone's) being a person." > mi ka prenu "there exists my personhood" And this means "I am a quality of (someone's) being a person." Presumably both these statements are false, since you are neither an event nor a quality. To express what you want, say: da nu/ka mi prenu There-exists-X-such-that-X is-an-event/quality-of (me being-a-person)