From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Aug 4 19:18:19 1993 Received: from MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 23:19:53 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 4 Aug 1993 23:19:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199308050319.AA13849@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5160; Wed, 04 Aug 93 23:18:42 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 2945; Wed, 04 Aug 93 23:20:06 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 23:18:19 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ZAhO example (short) X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: pu'o neither "hopes for" nor "expects" an event. "pu'o" merely talks about the event as a whole and says that it hasn't started yet. A ptoential event can still be talked about with pu'o, as lomg as what you are talking about is seeing DIRECTLY as related to the time leading up to the event. Thus, to get risque, sexual intercourse with intent to build a family is pu'o the life of the child that might be conceived. But even if the conception is accidental, unintended, or unwanted, one could still use pu'o to talk about that potential event. Indeed promiscuity might be reduced if people remebered that, regardless of your stand on abortion or when life begins, sexual intercourse is pu'o jmive (except in cases whereone of the partners has been rendered incapable of rorci). This is NOT intended to be a political statement, but rather to show a possible implication of looking at an event inchoatively, whether or not that event will actually happen. lojbab