Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 05:16:54 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 05:16:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199308160916.AA11108@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7894; Mon, 16 Aug 93 05:15:36 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6144; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 05:15:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 10:15:04 +0100 Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: Cupfuls (Was: Some how do you say it's) X-To: Lojban Mailing List To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Mon Aug 16 11:15:04 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Nick answers my query: ++++++++++> # x1 is x2 cupfuls in volume (default is 1) by standard x3 kabrylai is indeed a way to go, but the place structure you've given has little to do with that of klani; the place structure that makes sense to me is: x1 is a quantity of x2, on the scale x3 (which is your cup standard). Since the x1 in klani is a quantifier, this is in fact your place structure, but with x1 and x2 switched around: li pa cu kabryklani le tcati poi mi pinxe. >+++++++++++ So you're saying that kabrylai should mean x1 is a quantity of x2 measured in cups [by standard x3] but this is directly reversed from all the pre-defined measure words. Suppose my local volume measure is cupfuls (eg I'm in the world of US cookery). Then cupful is also dekpu: x1 is x2 local volume unit(s) (ie cups), x3 subunits (defaults 1), standard x4 I really don't like this. If the latter is a good idea for defining measure words, then -lai compounds should have it too, and b*****r dikyjvo. Colin ps. Thanks for reminding me of 'cpina' Bob - I had totally forgotten it.