Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 08:22:05 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 08:21:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199308141221.AA01455@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4470; Sat, 14 Aug 93 08:20:44 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1358; Sat, 14 Aug 1993 08:20:22 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1993 01:25:56 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TEXT: Imagist X-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Fri Aug 13 21:25:56 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET MA> Lojban seems to violate the usual pragmatic maxims of cooperation MA> between speaker and addressee... Here the blank line + context MA> implied an ".i", though to a true Lojbanist this is a rosy MA> invitation to go ahead & parse the discourse in a way patently MA> not indended by the speaker. Fair enough. On the contrary, the underlying Lojban philsophy is that it is the speaker's obligation to provide all information necessaryto understand what is being said to the listener. The experience of the natlangs in miscommunications, suggest that this is more informatiion than typical speakers provide if left to natlang habits. There is also more toleration of errors. But if you are writing to an uncertain audience (as all of us are), talking to a computer, and all manner of other Lojbanic things, there will miscommunciation when you misestimate the language. A blank line does NOT mean end of sentence, certainly not when a creative and norm-challenging poet like you is writing, And. I therefore claim that when you challenge norms as much as you do, you need to make much more room for your audience than you would in a natlang. (This is not to mention the fact that on the net, a blank line often means a typo - I can't retract a carriage return once typed into my terminal without messing with unix editors., which I refuse to do. lojbab