Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 19:58:16 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 19:58:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199308302358.AA04084@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9307; Mon, 30 Aug 93 19:56:45 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6310; Mon, 30 Aug 93 19:59:26 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 17:49:34 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: TECH: sisku, djica X-To: Lojban List To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Mon Aug 30 13:49:34 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET I think I have now gotten lojbab to agree that "sisku" needs a property in x2, because you can look for something which (veridically) is a purple rhinoceros, even though in fact there are no purple rhinocerotes (four syllables, please). If you are looking for George, you are looking for "lo ka [da] du la djordj." or more briefly "tu'a la djordj." Similarly, "djica" needs an event in x2, because "I want a soldier" is ambiguous about what you really want, vs. "I want that a soldier protects me" or "I want that a soldier makes love to me" or whatever. In general, all gismu places with "(object/event)" in them will be re-examined, and as many as possible will be flushed. Note that this makes "jai" very useful: "le jai se sisku" is now the object of search, and "le jai se djica" the object of desire. -- John Cowan cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!lock60!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban.