Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 13:53:11 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 13:53:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199308161753.AA14050@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0011; Mon, 16 Aug 93 13:51:41 EDT Received: from YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@YALEVM) by YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6706; Mon, 16 Aug 1993 13:48:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 12:06:22 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: Cupfuls (Was: Some how do you say it's) X-To: Lojban List To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9308160916.AA18409@relay1.UU.NET> from "Colin Fine" at Aug 16, 93 10:15:04 am Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Mon Aug 16 08:06:22 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET la kolin. cusku di'e > So you're saying that kabrylai should mean > > x1 is a quantity of x2 measured in cups [by standard x3] > > but this is directly reversed from all the pre-defined > measure words. > Suppose my local volume measure is cupfuls (eg I'm in > the world of US cookery). Then cupful is also > dekpu: x1 is x2 local volume unit(s) (ie cups), x3 subunits (defaults 1), > standard x4 > > I really don't like this. If the latter is a good idea for defining > measure words, then -lai compounds should have it too, > and b*****r dikyjvo. I agree with the complaint, but not the resolution. Colin's point makes me think that it is "klani" that has the problem: that we should make "le klani" that which is measured/counted, and "le se klani" the quantifier. The resulting proposed place structure is: x1 is quantified/measured/enumerated by x2 on scale x3 (si'o) Comments? -- John Cowan cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!lock60!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban.