From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:49:42 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 13:15:24 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7003; Tue, 03 Aug 93 13:14:10 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4462; Tue, 03 Aug 93 13:14:15 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 13:10:29 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: On the tense system X-To: lojbab@grebyn.com X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Ukn Aug 3 13:15:27 1993 X-From-Space-Address: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Message-ID: <2O5YV6LdxsF.A.lTH.Gy0kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> > ___mi morsi ba'o lenu mi jmive___ > I am dead in the aftermath of the event of my being alive > > ___mi morsi ca lenu mi ba'o jmive___ > I am dead at the time of the event of my being in the aftermath of being alive > > > The second does not exclude the possibility of > ___mi morsi pu lenu mi ba'o jmive___ > I am dead before the time of the event of my being in the aftermath of being alive > > The first specifically puts you in the aftermath of that event of being alive. > so the first means: I'm dead in the aftermath of my living, and I was not dead before that. This seems to be including more meaning than ba'o has. Is my having been dead before really excluded? Jorge