From lojbab@GREBYN.COM Ukn Aug 2 23:57:10 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 2 Aug 1993 23:57:09 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4778; Mon, 02 Aug 93 23:56:02 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0226; Mon, 02 Aug 93 23:57:29 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 23:56:16 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: lojban ' X-To: cowan@MAGPIE.LL.PBS.ORG X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: Actually, I don't think JCBs denial of my involvement in GMR stems from the crrent dispute, since he and I dsagreed over this at the time I wrote the material which later came to be the attachments to "JL"1, which was back in '85 or '86. JCB just remembers the 1979-80 time period different from me. I am sure I am correct because the fact that I contributed - that I was ABLE to make a contribution although being a newcomer, made a big impact on me that led to my eventual commitment to the langauge. On the other hand, i suspect that JCB during that timeframe was looking at many problems, and may have seen my contribution as ablur in passing. There is also the slight possibility that, at the time I made the suggestion, JCB had already thought of the solution I proposed, and rather than my truly independently thinking of it, he led me to the suggestion a la Socrates. This doesn't track well with the hoistorical record, since he published the description of the new approach to GMR in TL 3/4 a couple of months after the meeting we discussed the topic at, and at the time he did so, he told me that he had written the essay IN RESPONSE TO what I had suggested after considering it. On the other hand, JCB DOES mention my name and give me partial credit for the 'y' hyphen, which I and one other person successfully defended as a replacement for using syllabic 'r' as the hyphen. He does mention my name in an L1 foot- note to this effect, so i cannnot claim that he intentionally denies me credit out of spite. Most of my contribution during the 1979-86 period, of course was merely as an occasional sounding board for JCB, as the only even semi-active Loglanist in San Diego with him. Siince I didn;t really LEARN the language until late in 1986, my contributions were at a much more philosophical level, as opposed to the nitty-gritty of the language design. This started to change in '86, and he and I codified the lujvo-making algorithm and started to work on the le'avla making problem in the few short weeks before we started to split. lojbab