From lojbab@GREBYN.COM Ukn Aug 3 23:22:57 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:22:56 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9772; Tue, 03 Aug 93 23:21:49 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0125; Tue, 03 Aug 93 23:23:15 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 23:18:55 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: ZAhO tenses X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: One thing to bear in mind in thinking about ZAhO tenses is that there are a lot more than just pu'o and ba'o, and they all revolve around the paradigm of thinking of the selbri as an event, and then putting the speaker or reference point relative to that event with the ZAhO. Some of these other ZAhO tenses are not symmetric. In particular, the ones regarding completion, and za'o itself do not have a complete set of corresponding contours at the beginning of the event (super-inchoative =? starting too soon). Regardless of other arguments, the necessity of making these tenses work properly, and in the most useful way, sets the tone for the whole system. I would assume that if we were to consider reversing ba'o and pu'o, that they could no longer be interpeted consistently with the other ZAhOs. lojbab