From ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Ukn Aug 2 13:08:53 1993 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 2 Aug 1993 13:08:51 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1899; Mon, 02 Aug 93 13:07:45 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4057; Mon, 02 Aug 93 13:09:17 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 18:05:51 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Mr Andrew Rosta Subject: Re: TECH: SE rafsi omitted in lujvo (was Re: dikyjvo, too, bites the dust X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET, Nick Nicholas To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Sat, 31 Jul 93 02:18:07 W.) <9307301621.AA31246@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Status: RO X-Status: Message-ID: Nick says: > rafsi is there. Thus le'avla must have the same place structure as > selyle'avla, if they are indeed the same word, rather than le'avla meaning > something else, eg. the word you say in order to borrow a cup of sugar. But "se lehavla" and "se selylehavla" mean the same, right? And if one wanted to lujvoize these, the lujvo would have to be "selselylehavla"? (Tho I prefer fukpi zei valsi anyway.) > I must admit I can see no reason why morphology rules should not permit > forms like *{kosyne'otau} or *{kosne'ortau} alongside {kosne'otau}. No ambigui ty > results; the plurality of forms is already endemic to Lojban, and since > "tosmabru"-type tests are often hard to perform on the fly, I scarcely think > erring on the side of caution in such coinings should be penalised by well- > formedness rejection. If these encroach into le'avla space, so much the better : > le'avla space should be more distinctive than it currently is (we should > emphasise the su'oci consonant crunch) --- I think it lets in too many words. > Admittedly I don't hold much trust in the idea of level IV le'avla. I second this. My instinct is to stick glue consonants in for both euphony & safety. Indeed, I hadn't realized I had been transgressing in inserting this excess glue. ---- And