From LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:50:11 2010 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 3 Aug 1993 06:10:03 -0400 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5226; Tue, 03 Aug 93 06:08:56 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1297; Tue, 03 Aug 93 06:10:19 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1993 11:05:20 +0100 Reply-To: Colin Fine Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: TEXT: Real Life To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Ukn Aug 3 06:10:05 1993 X-From-Space-Address: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Message-ID: Rob asks: +++++++++> I also notice that some people say things about email such as "do bacru" that is not to be taken literally - must everything be literal, or is it really understood that I didn't actually inscribe anything on an email note? Of course your correct about cusku, I'm just asking a further question.. >+++++++++ There is a certain amount of disagreement on this question. Certainly gismu (and, eventually, lujvo) have defined ranges of meaning, and you've got no business going outside those ranges. I am of the opinion that some of the gismu are defined too widely, ie they encompass ideas that to me are disjoint and should be expressed by separate words - my pet example is sarju, where I regard 'sarju la lojban' as an unwarranted metaphoric extension. But I accept that sarju, like randa, is defined with a wide range that covers both physical and intellectual/social interactions. There are two ways round this. One is the explicit metaphor marker 'pe'a' (I haven't gone back and read the discussion on this, so I'm not sure what its current grammar is, but I know it is still there). The other is lujvo making - many lujvo include a somewhat metaphorical extension. Thus 'bacru' is definitely about uttering sounds, and is invalid in net postings. Similarly ciska. If you use ciska in talking about e-mail, I will probably understand you (I don't know about other people), though I may point out the inappropriateness. If you start using ciska for talking about command lines, I will object. Colin