Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 14:34:54 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Sun, 22 Aug 1993 14:34:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199308221834.AA11737@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3756; Sun, 22 Aug 93 14:33:27 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9906; Sun, 22 Aug 93 14:35:38 EDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 14:33:10 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: QUERY on ZI & ZEhA X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Sun Aug 22 10:33:10 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Your summary seems quite reasonable, Jorge, and may be correct (there are some border conditions that can screw up most generalizations about the termonators, but I can't think of any right off hand that affect what you said. The best bet when you aren't sure is to include the terminator. It is never wrong to include a termoinator, sometimes is helpful to a reader less skilled in the grammar, and sometimes also is necessary. The basic "rule" covering all terminators is that, if you omit the terminator, does the next word appear like a plausible continuation under ANY grammatical interpretation as yet unterminated or unexcluded. This is only agrammatical, and not a semantic constraint - oftentimes the word slopped in makes for perfect nonsense and the normal human Lojbanist will really want to stick in the terminator that was mistakenly omitted if only to make some sense out of it (on the other hand, some Lojbanists like me, seem to be willing/able to find more sense in such nonsense, and hence be less tolerant of mistakenly omitted terminators). Note also that since the grammar is LALR1, you cannot look further ahead and see that later grammar makes it clear which was intended. The best example of this is the non-logical connectives, which almost always require the previous sumti to be terminated with ku. After "le broda", JOI means that you are logically connecting onto "broda" and not "le broda", and this remains true even if the second token following is another "le", making that interpretation impossible. If the grammar was LALR2 with error correction, the KU after "le broda" would be unnecessary if a "le" follows, but that isn;t how we designed the grammar. lojbab