Received: from MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 01:41:51 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 5 Aug 1993 01:41:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199308050541.AA25743@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5383; Thu, 05 Aug 93 01:40:40 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3720; Thu, 05 Aug 93 01:42:06 EDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 01:42:03 -0400 Reply-To: vilva@viikki21.helsinki.fi Sender: Lojban list From: VILVA@VIIKKI21.HELSINKI.FI Subject: Re: ZAhO tenses To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Wed Aug 4 21:42:03 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 12:20:59 EDT > From: Jorge LLambias > Subject: Re: ZAhO tenses > Veijo's examples: > > > > mi pu'o broda = mi purci le nu mi broda > mi pu broda = mi balvi le nu mi broda mi pu broda = le nu mi broda cu purci le cabna (le nu mi broda cu purci le nu mi cusku lu mi pu broda li'u) > > mi ba'o broda = mi balvi le nu mi broda > mi ba broda = mi purci le nu mi broda mi ba broda = le nu mi broda cu balvi le cabna (The equalities are not strict) "da pu/ba broda" actually makes no claim about da's temporal relationship with the process of brodaing. It only states that da has been/will be brodaing - da's brodaing may be going on all the time. "da pu'o/ba'o broda" defines da's temporal relationship with "le nu da broda" at some unspecified time. Both da and the event/process may be in the past, present or future from the narrator's viewpoint. "da pu broda" and "da pu'o broda" refer to quite different things. "da pu broda" refers to da brodaing at a specific time relative to the narrator's time. "da pu'o broda" refers to da BEING at a specific stretch of time relative to da's (actual/potential) brodaing. In both cases, however, pu and pu'o set the referent ("da broda" in the case of pu and "da" in the case of pu'o) on the SAME side of the reference point ("the narrator's time" in the case of pu and "le nu da broda" in the case of pu'o). The same goes for ba/ba'o, of course. No contradiction what so ever - as far as I can see. > > Jorge > Veijo ------------------------------------------------------------------ Veijo Vilva vilva@viikki21.helsinki.fi