Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 11:01:30 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 30 Aug 1993 11:01:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199308301501.AA03606@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6219; Mon, 30 Aug 93 10:59:56 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1491; Mon, 30 Aug 93 11:02:43 EDT Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 10:00:05 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: GEN: How Nick is faring X-To: Lojban List To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <9308271537.AA19223@relay1.UU.NET> from "Nick Nicholas" at Aug 28, 93 01:35:24 am Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Mon Aug 30 06:00:05 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET la nitcion. cusku di'e > (Just to amplify: I've just done Aktionsarten in semantics (states, activities, > accomplishments, achievements), and I don't think they've been taught > properly in Lojban, particularly as to their tense properties --- Dowty's > tests etc. It'd be far more useful to describe these in the terms that > they are described in formal semantics --- states are a kind of zasti, > activities a kind of gasnu/zukte, achievements a kind of binxo, and > accomplishments a kind of rinka. Thus djuno is a state, cadzu an activity, > cirko an achievement, and bapli an accomplishment.) This list looks a bit different from our NU list: states, activities, achievements, and processes. Is it really the same thing? Also, in Lojban any brivla can be realized as any event type: there is le pu'u cadzu, le mu'e djuno, le za'i bapli, and all are perfectly meaningful. -- John Cowan cowan@snark.thyrsus.com ...!uunet!lock60!snark!cowan e'osai ko sarji la lojban.