Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 14:40:02 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 31 Aug 1993 14:39:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199308311839.AA22332@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3004; Tue, 31 Aug 93 14:38:21 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0570; Tue, 31 Aug 93 14:36:00 EDT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1993 14:32:09 EDT Reply-To: Jorge LLambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge LLambias Subject: Re: ZAhO as sumti tcita X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Tue Aug 31 10:32:09 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET la djan cusku di'e > > So in general, ZAhO as sumti tcita says that the event of the main bridi, > considered as a point-event, represents (part of) a phase of the process > specified by the sumti, and which phase is determined by which ZAhO it is. > This is more or less what I had understood from the tense paper. It still seems strange to me that the ZAhO is applied to the event inside the sumti, instead of to the main bridi. Which rule do we use for PU ZAhO sumti tcita? The one for PU, the one for ZAhO, or a combination of both? ___mi klama pu za'o le nu carvi___ 1- I kept going before the rain. This is what I think it should mean, but it doesn't. 2- I went as it kept raining. This is what it would mean (I think) if we apply the ZAhO rule to the PU ZAhO. 3- My going occured in the past of the persistent rain. This (or something like it) would be using the PU rule for the "pu" and the ZAhO rule for the "za'o". In this case, PU ZAhO as a tense has a completely different meaning from PU ZAhO as sumti tcita. Which one is the right interpretation? Jorge