From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Mon Sep 20 13:31:29 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 17:34:11 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 17:33:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199309202133.AA00315@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0996; Mon, 20 Sep 93 17:32:02 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0066; Mon, 20 Sep 93 17:33:22 EDT Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 17:31:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: clitoris X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: Art Protin's message of Fri, 17 Sep 1993 13:09:00 EDT Status: RO X-Status: >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 13:09:00 EDT >From: Art Protin >Folks, > On the subject topic, I agree with jimc on: >>> Should I make pinji gender-neutral? >> >> This is Politically Correct, and is in line with historical trends >> in Lojban/Loglan. I vote yes. >But, I am not at all convinced about the rest of it. >> But you're right, it will be hard to >> write the dictionary entry in English or any natural language. >If I understand the term pinji it means > - A genital protrusion with extreme amounts of nerves and > sensors. When unmodified it refers to the penis, the > clitoris, or other organ depending on both gender and > species of the owner of said organ. Hrm. That's okay, so far as it goes, I guess, but that means we have to be more specific than we were before. After all, when {pinji} just meant "penis", that could mean "the organ housing the external end of the urethra" (cf. Esperanto slang "pisilo"). Now, about this nerve-packed quality.... I don't know for sure about the sensations involved in most of these animals, but I don't know for sure if all of them necessarily get stimulated the same way... The third arm from the right on an octopus. That's the one the male inserts into the female; it's got a groove down the side in which the sperm-packets travel. Is that a pinji? What about the hemipenes of some snakes? Or the huge (relative to body-size) penis of the barnacle? Or you could get strange and deal with some microbe that undergoes conjugation by means of a pseudopod or something (and not joining side-by-side like paramecia). Is that pseudopod a pinji? I suppose these things aren't {pinji}, since they're just organs for the transfer of genetic material, and should be called by a lujvo expressing that. Is this what we want? Maybe. ~mark