From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Sep 29 08:35:52 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 12:55:31 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 12:55:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199309291655.AA01893@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0868; Wed, 29 Sep 93 12:53:40 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8733; Wed, 29 Sep 93 12:37:54 EDT Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 12:35:52 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: input on gismu place structures wanted - sumti raising? X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: <199309291426.AA25215@access.digex.net> from "Nick Nicholas" at Sep 29, 93 02:39:58 pm Status: RO X-Status: mi'e .djan. kau,n. .i la nitcion. cusku di'e > #cedra era x1 is an era/epoch/age characterized by x2 > #(event/property/interval) (cf. ranji, temci, citsi) > > It is not *necessarily* a sumti-raising to use an interval. The era 1900-1905 > has no abstraction to it: it's just 1900-1905, not plus or minus a couple > of extra years. I don't think the Revolutionary War is even an interval, > but an event, with sumti-raising. Our problem is there are two definitions > competing here: "characterised by" strongly implies raising, and that > the era is not limited to the duration of x2, but merely characterised by > it. But saying 1900-1905 isn't characterising the ear, but delimiting it. > So you may want to tighten the wording, or at least make the alternatives > explicit. I think that an "era" which is specified by an interval is not a {cedra} at all, but a {temci}; the whole purpose of {cedra} is to specify stretches of time that are defined only vaguely. Nevertheless, a {se cedra} could be a {temci}, when we extend the significance of a time-period beyond its strict limits. -- John Cowan sharing account for now