From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Fri Sep 3 05:09:19 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 05:09:19 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 05:09:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199309030909.AA19247@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7503; Fri, 03 Sep 93 05:07:44 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1803; Fri, 03 Sep 93 05:10:21 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 10:05:40 BST Reply-To: I.Alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: Iain Alexander Subject: TECH: TANSTAAFL X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: Thinking about {jdima} etc. for the sumti-raising issue, I was for some reason reminded of the debate about "nothing". How do we say something is "free". noda jdima ko'a means simply that no price has been set, the object may not even be for sale. lo fepni be li no cu jdima ko'a is more like it, but why should we have to mention currency units? li no jdima ko'a Does this work? noda se jdima be li no je mijdorsai Nothing has-price zero and is-a-midday-meal mu'o mi'e .i,n. jdima di'a price x1 (amount) is the price of x2 to purchaser/consumer x3 set by vendor x4; (cf. vamji, ve vecnu) 8d 15 fepni fep fei cent 'penny' x1 is measured in kopeck/cent money-subunits as x2 (quantity), in monetary system x3 5e 36 pfennig, paisa, sen, fen, dinar; x1 is generally a price/cost/value; (cf. rupnu) mij-dor-sai midju donri sanmi midju mij middle x1 is in/at the middle/center of x2; (cf. jbini, nutli, snuji) 2d 31 donri dor do'i daytime x1 is the daytime of day x2 at location x3; (cf. nicte, djedi) 14 sanmi sai meal x1 (mass) is a meal composed of dishes x2 (set ext.) 5c 84