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Reply-To: Jorge LLambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>
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From: Jorge LLambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      One thousand and one ways of being dead
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To: Erik Rauch <rauch>
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la nitcion spuda la djan di'e
>
> #Also, in Lojban any brivla can be realized as any event type: there is
> #le pu'u cadzu, le mu'e djuno, le za'i bapli, and all are perfectly
> #meaningful.
>
> Yeah. And now that I've done Aktionsarten in class, that worries me...
> Sure, we can do this conversion trick:

> {za'i morsi} means "dead",

Undoubtedly.

> {mu'e morsi} means "die",

No, it can't mean "die". {mu'e co'a morsi} would be "die".
"If you betray me, you are a dead man" is the best I can think of where
"dead" is an achievement. (Notice that it is not the dying that matters
here, nor the state of being dead.)

> {pu'u morsi} means "kill",

Never! At most "being killed", but it's not that either. It's just a different
philosophy of what being dead is all about. {za'i morsi} is very boring, but
some ghosts may have very entertaining {pu'u morsi}. Ask Hollywood, if you
don't believe me.

> and I can't for the life
> of me work out what {zu'e morsi} means (if it can't mean "kill").

That's because you don't think that being dead can be an optional state,
but some creature somewhere may decide to {zu'o morsi} for an hour every day,
perhaps as a recreational activity.


> I think some theory needs some beefing up somewhere...

Yes, the sumti tcita meaning of ZAhOs.   (sorry :)

co'o mi'e xorxes