From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Tue Sep 7 00:33:39 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:35:56 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:35:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199309062235.AA02655@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8453; Mon, 06 Sep 93 18:34:18 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8816; Mon, 06 Sep 93 18:37:11 EDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 23:33:39 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Mr Andrew Rosta Subject: Re: TECH: LE & LO X-To: lojban@cuvma.BITNET To: Erik Rauch In-Reply-To: (Your message of Mon, 06 Sep 93 15:58:59 N.) <9309061502.AA40559@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Status: RO X-Status: I rephrase my previous posting. (i) I don't know who you'll marry, but I do know they'll be German. This calls for: do ba speni lo dotco (ii) I think all Germans are zabna. So if I choose to call Germans zabna, should I say do ba speni lo zabna or do ba speni le zabna Neither is satisfactory. The problem with the first is that it would be true if you married someone zabna but not German. The second suggests that I have in mind who it is you will marry, which is not the case. The solution, I think, is: do ba speni lo me luha le((h)i) zabna "le((h)i) zabna" refers to a specific group of zabna, i.e. those zabna who are Germans - all Germans. "Luha" then takes the individuals of this specific group, "me" turns it from a sumti into a brivla, and then "lo" selects a non-specific individual from the specific group of zabna. --------------- And