From @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Wed Sep 8 04:48:41 1993 Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:48:41 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:48:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199309080848.AA17957@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5812; Wed, 08 Sep 93 04:46:54 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9079; Wed, 08 Sep 93 04:49:51 EDT Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:45:30 BST Reply-To: I.Alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: Iain Alexander Subject: Re: TECH: Mark Shoulson waiting for a taxi X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: > > I think this is another case of sumti-raising. What you are really > > waiting for is {lo nu klama lo karcrtaksi}. > > > > mi'e .i,n. la .and. cusku di'e > True enough, but it doesn't solve the non-specificity problem, > does it? If the inception of nu klama [fa?] lo karcrtaksi > happens, but Mark wasn't waiting for it, the utterance could > still be true, whereas we want it to be false in such a > circumstance. I'm sorry, I seem to have lost the thread somewhere. If la mark. denpa lo nu klama fa lo karcrtaksi how can the event happen without Mark waiting for it? Perhaps you think this isn't tight enough, and I could probably agree with that. I think there are parts of the language that we don't exercise often enough at the moment, and one of those is the different flavours of NU, so I usually try and find an alternative to {nu} itself. I often find {za'i} works well for things which are anticipated (desired, waited for etc.), so perhaps this should be {lo za'i ba'o klama}. (I'm not sure where the x3 of {denpa} comes in. Presumably it's about waiting for a process or activity to reach a certain point, but I don't know quite how it works.) This of course leads into Nick's Aktionsarten discussion, which I want to come in on when I can find time, possibly in a day or two. ko jundi le vi kunti Watch this space! :-) co'o mi'e .i,n.