Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:42:39 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:31:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199309280831.AA10910@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6315; Tue, 28 Sep 93 04:29:49 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6378; Tue, 28 Sep 93 04:32:32 EDT Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:29:49 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Eaton: You asked for it ... X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Tue Sep 28 00:29:49 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET More Eaton, you ask??? Here's 4 pages worth. Make sure that if something looks like a gismu (i.e. the first word) that the other-language values match our assumed meaning for the gismu. In the case of that first word, there are two Spanish equivalents. If they are not completely synonymous, perhaps there are two concepts needing separate lujvo. Eaton p208 buttock (F) fesse (S) anca, nalga confessional (S) confesionario fanaticism (S) fanatismo generality (G) Allgemeine (S) generalidad imprudent (G) unvorsichtig (S) imprudente jasmine, jessamine (S) jazmin participant,participator(G) Teilnehmer (S) participante, participe promptitude (S) prontitud royalist (G) Ko:nigstreue (S) realista talkative, loquacious (F) bavard (G) redselig (S)parlero estimable (F,S) estimable (G) scha:tzbar flagrant (S) flagrante (G) offenkundig halo (S) aureola insufficiency (F) insuffisance (G) Mangelhaftigkeit insuperable (F) insurmontable (G) unu:bersteigbar (S) insuperable irruption (F) irruption (G) Einbruch (S) irrupcio'n patriarchal (S) patriarcal sulk (F) bouder (G) schmollen (S) estar mohino explanatory (G)erkla:rend (S) explicativo guillotine (F) ... inertia (G) Tra:gheit (S) inercia intimidate (F) intimider (G) einschu:chtern Eaton p209 intonation (S) entonacio'n (G) Anstimmen parishioner (F) paroissien (G) Gemeindemitglied (S) feligre's participle (S) participio roguish, knavish (F) coquin (G) boshaft (S) picaresco snuffle, snivel (vb.) (F) renifler (S) gimotear, lloriquear spontaneity (S) espontaneidad ugliness (F) laideur (G) Ha:sslichkeit (S) fealdad undefinable (S) indefinible widower (F) veuf (S) viudo crossroad(s) (see below)(F) carrefour (G) Scheideweg (S) encrucijada decanter (F) carafe (S) garrafa journalist (S) periodista romanticism (G) Romantik (S) romanticismo cohesion (F) cohe'sion crossroad (F) traverse (G) Querstrasse (S) calle transversal discouragement (G) Entmutigung (S) desaliento mediocrity (see below) (F) me'diocrite' (S) mediania, mediocridad monosyllable (S) monosilabo [might as well put in di-syllable too,and any other words you think useful for discussing Lojban wordforms- after all CVCCV is not a valid brivla %^)] prosaic (S) prosaico slowness (F) lenteur (G) Langsamkeit (S) lentitud substitution (G) Ersetzung (S) substitucio'n Eaton p 210 centennial (adj) (S) centenario embargo (G) Sperre (S) embargo milkman (F) laitier (S) lechero nonentity (F) nullite' (G) Null (S) nulidad set-up (n) (F) miseen sc`ene (G) Szene (S) montaje bimetallism (G) Doppelwa:hrung (S) bimetalismo coat-tail (F) pan (G) Schoss (S) faldo'n [this also could use an entry for the Englishism, possibly only Americanism, of "coat-tail effect" for the political effect of a popular party leader causing lesser-knowns of the same party to win by aura-extension or whatever you wanna call it] debatable (G) streitig (S) discutible (self) starter (F) de'marreur (G) Selbsteintritt (S) arranque automa'tico [this is the automobile part - this has also become an English idiom used to describe a person - a "go-getter", presumably a different Lojban word] abnegation (G) Ablehnung (S) abnegacio'n optimistic, optimist (F) optimiste (S) optimista passerby (F) passant (n) (G) Passant, Vorbeigehende (S) transeunte unforgettable (S) inolvidable brother-in-law (F) beau-fr`ere (G) Schwager (S) cun~ado father-in-law (F) beau-p`ere (G) Schweigervater (S) suegro hindquarters (horse) (F) croupe (G) Kreuz (S) ancas, anca Eaton p211 mawkish (F) doucereux, mielleux (G) empfindsam (S) almibarado, meloso monolog(ue) (S) monologo organizer (S) organizador phosphorus (S) fo'sforo prote'ge (F) prote'ge' (n) (G) Schu:tzling (S) protegido autonomy (G) Selbstverwaltung (S) autonomia indorsement (F) endos(sement) (G) Indossament (S) endoso (is this "endorsement", these days?) cinema (S) cine, cinemato'grafo epicure (F) gourmet (G) Feinschmecker (S) epicu'reo, sibarita mediocre (F) me'diocre (G) mittelma:ssig (S) mediocre hen coop, chicken coop (F) poulailler (S) gallinero [how about "cooped up"] enviable (G) beneidenswert (S)envidiable fatherhood, paternity (S) paternidad idealist (S) idealista immorality (G) Unsittlichkeit (S) inmoralidad mobilize (F) mobiliser (S) movilizar sheepish (F) penaud (G) bescha:mt (S) avergonzado, cortado dryness (F) se'cheresse (G) Trockenheit (S) sequedad egoism (egotism?) (F) e'goisme (G) Selbstsucht (S) egoi'smo poacher (F) braconnier (G) Wilddieb, Wilderer (S) cazador furtivo ========== Next time we get our first culture words that rate inclusion independent of the "my culture/your culture" concept - Moslem (from French) and Peruvian (from Spanish, of course). Jorge: any idea why peruano was frequent but the words for Colombian, and Chilean are not (Argentine and Mexican are in back on p185 and p187 respectively, so we'll get to them, but I don't see many others in this Euro-biased data set. Hmm Belgian (p204), Celtic (p201), Pharasee (p200 - well maybe not a true culture-word, it rates as much for the attitude as the cultural identity), gypsy (p196), Swedish (p188), Japanese (p187), danish (p186), Teutonic/Germanic (p186), Portuguese (p185), Gothic (p185), Christendom (p179), as opposed to Christainity (p177), Cuba (p177), Persian (p166), Orient (p151), Easter (p148), Protestant (p139), Africa (p138), , Arabia (p136), Christmas (p133), Austrai (p130), Dutch (p129), Jew (p115) Which brings us down to the set of cultures in the gismu list because JCB had them (because they were listed in the first 3000 concepts in Eaton) such as Scottish, Amerind, etc. lojbab