Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:14:31 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:14:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199309090814.AA24232@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1623; Thu, 09 Sep 93 04:12:51 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8410; Thu, 09 Sep 93 04:15:51 EDT Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:11:10 BST Reply-To: I.Alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: Iain Alexander Subject: Re: TECH: LE & LO X-To: ucleaar@ucl.ac.uk X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Thu Sep 9 04:14:31 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET > do ba speni lo me luha le((h)i) zabna > do ba speni le me luha le((h)i) zabna (And was wondering how to talk about the specific individual. Unfortunately my mailbox got corrupted last night, so I can't quote the exact text at the moment.) Normally do ba speni le zabna does just fine for this. If you really need to emphasise both the specific individual and the specific group, you can always say something like do ba speni le pa le zabna Putting in {me} suggests to me that the particular individual isn't really one of the group, even in-your-mind, but is somehow loosely associated with them. mi'e .i,n.