Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 05:09:04 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Fri, 3 Sep 1993 05:09:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199309030909.AA19243@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7502; Fri, 03 Sep 93 05:07:29 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1795; Fri, 03 Sep 93 05:10:18 EDT Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 10:05:30 BST Reply-To: I.Alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk Sender: Lojban list From: Iain Alexander Subject: Re: TECH: possible sumti-raising place structures of the sisku variety X-To: cowan X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: RO X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Fri Sep 3 05:09:04 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET la djan. kau,n. cusku di'e > > jarco show x1 (person/object) shows/exhibits/displays/reveals x2 > > (object/property) to audience x3 8c 85 [reveal (= mipyja'o, sivja'o); > > also demonstrate]; (cf. tigni) > I don't understand why "property" here. Seems to be just a way of saying > "object which has property", which is just "le [se] ckaji". I assume "property" is in there to allow things like ko'a jarco lo ka virnu kei tai lo nu jivna le traji be fo roda He shows his courage by taking on the world champion. I don't think this is _entirely_ malglico, although you may be able to suggest a better way of doing it. > > kargu costly x1 (object/property) is costly/expensive/dear to x2 by > > standard x3 5e 55 (cf. vamji, dirba, vajni) > Don't understand why "property" here. I believe you yourself coined the elegant ro cimni ka satci cu se jdima lo cimni ni valsi (I think the original had {lo} where I've put {ro}, but this is more accurate pe'i.) If a property can have a price, it can be expensive. We obviously disagree on some (more) of these, so I'll return to them later. mu'onai mi'e .i,n.