Message-Id: <199309040608.AA15964@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>
Date:         Sat, 4 Sep 1993 16:07:46 +1000
Reply-To: Nick Nicholas <nsn@MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU>
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From: Nick Nicholas <nsn@MULLIAN.EE.MU.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: TECH: sisku, djica
To: Erik Rauch <rauch>
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "John Cowan" at Aug 30, 93 05:49:34 pm
Status: RO

To John Cowan respond I thus:

#I think I have now gotten lojbab to agree that "sisku" needs a property in
#x2, because you can look for something which (veridically) is a purple
#rhinoceros, even though in fact there are no purple rhinocerotes (four
#syllables, please).

rhinocerotes? Really? Because to my knowledge, rhino'keros has always had
the plural rhino'keroi, and Latin has followed suit (rhinoceros, rhinoceri).

#Similarly, "djica" needs an event in x2, because "I want a soldier" is
#ambiguous about what you really want, vs. "I want that a soldier protects me"
#or "I want that a soldier makes love to me" or whatever.

I can see the usage of {posydji} going through the roof because of this.

#In general, all gismu places with "(object/event)" in them will be re-examined,
#and as many as possible will be flushed.  Note that this makes "jai" very
#useful:  "le jai se sisku" is now the object of search, and "le jai se
#djica" the object of desire.

This makes me feel ambivalent. On the one hand, the rising tide of sumti
raising was the very reason I proposed the equivalent of {jai}, whenever
I did (a year ago? more?) On the other, I'm starting to get the feeling
this raising crusade has gone a little too far. But I'd need to look
through the specific proposals first --- which I will do when I get to.

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