Received: from ELI.CS.YALE.EDU by NEBULA.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:37:20 -0400 Received: from YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU by eli.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:37:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199309021937.AA02140@eli.CS.YALE.EDU> Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5020; Thu, 02 Sep 93 15:35:42 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 8181; Thu, 02 Sep 93 15:37:24 EDT Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1993 15:33:06 EDT Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: possible sumti-raising place structures of the sisku variety X-To: I.Alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk X-Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Erik Rauch Status: O X-Status: X-From-Space-Date: Thu Sep 2 11:33:06 1993 X-From-Space-Address: @YaleVM.YCC.YALE.EDU:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET IA> > binxo bix bi'o become IA> > x1 becomes/changes into x2 under conditions x3; IA> > (cf. cenba, galfi, stika, zasni) 2c 217 IA> IA> This wasn't on your list, but I think I've seen someone use it IA> with a property (e.g. {binxo loka blanu} for "turn blue"), and IA> I'm not sure what the alternative is; maybe {zenba}, but I don't IA> find it very convincing; maybe {cpacu}, although I don't remember IA> anyone using it that way. I believe I missed a discussion about IA> {binxo} sometime before I joined the list (at the beginning of IA> June 1992). I don't think there's any hidden sumti-raising going IA> on here, but there may be an option in the type of sumti. I just think the usage in question is wrong. To turn blue is either binxo le blanu, or perhaps binxo le ckaji be loka blanu Probably the person in question meant the latter, which in effect makes it a different kind of sumti raising - one we haven't ever really addressed. Do we need to??? lojbab